Yeah, amazing, to be honest. So I started initially as an interim manager in a company in southern Germany which produced car seats. And for that company I had the opportunity to be part of a digitalization team. And in one of the projects, we created the very first online shop they ever had. And that was quite amazing to be part of that. You could already see how everything works. We did all on our own, so quite of an experience we gained and with that we also had the opportunity to learn a lot, also to do a lot of mistakes. But I think that is part of the process, especially to get better.
After that, I joined an agency in northern Germany as the director of e commerce. And in the beginning there was only shopware five and no shopper six. In any case, it was quite special to cope with that one. And I'm really, really happy about Shopware 6 now.
Yeah, it's amazing. It's great. And luxembourg telegram screening yeah, we've been in Shopware only agency before. We're shopware only agency now. And I'm totally convicted by the system. I love it. This was my first steps. At first, we had really small clients in the previous agency, and with founding my own agency, we started to gain new market, which were huge clients, really huge clients.
Sarah Lang:
And that's what we do within the last two years, it works really well. And now we expand to different other countries, so us as well as Italy or Belgium.
Ben Marks:
Okay, well, and that kind of mirrors a little bit of the shopware. Geographical. It's, it's always lovely to speak with agency founders. As you and I were just chatting about before we hit record, I got my start out in the agency world back in 2008, the ecommerce agency world back in 2008. And it's been interesting watching this industry grow up. And I mean, I think your time at mixed creations, the industry, especially the industry of like, you know, really properly customizable commerce, was, was somewhat mature. I mean, maybe, you know, sort of late teenage years, right? When, when you, when you think about where we were in 2013, commodity computing had come along, so if you wanted to put things in the cloud, you could. But a lot of the tools and resources that existed back then may have even been created before that was a thing.